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		<title>By: account money</title>
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		<dc:creator>account money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cody Hargreaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody Hargreaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I take your meaning, Andrew; I simply disagree. Achievements earned for completing a quest that &#039;must&#039; be completed in order to progress through the game, aren&#039;t, in my humble opinion, achievements at all. I&#039;d accept an achievement as &#039;earned&#039; for defeating a difficult boss, or for killing a number of players in an online match within the given time limit ( though I also disagree that killing 10,000 players is an achievement, as it seems something more likened to a test of endurance), as both of those actions require skill; though even then the line is thin. 
 
I only make such a point of it because if achievements aren&#039;t challenging, then then they lose their value. Your &#039;gamerscore&#039; on Xbox Live, for example, is nothing more than a definitive list of the games you have played, and how far you progressed through each. I have no problem with that, but I do take issue with calling them &#039;achievements&#039;. They are nothing of the sort.  
 
And too, allowing a person to feel as though they have achieved something is nothing like offering them the chance to actually do so. Though, I will agree that the large majority of people would take your side on that. People love to feel like they have achieved something, and so, those in power offer them the chance to do so almost daily. But you see, once again, this depreciates the value of the achievement. Completing a task a monkey with a typewriter could achieve if given a long enough period of time isn&#039;t worthy of even a mention, let alone a gold star - yet today&#039;s society feels that it is. How long before we no longer care about achievement? How long before the bar falls so low, that merely turning on your games console awards you the &#039;Began Playing&#039; award? Not long, I imagine. Not long at all. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I take your meaning, Andrew; I simply disagree. Achievements earned for completing a quest that &#039;must&#039; be completed in order to progress through the game, aren&#039;t, in my humble opinion, achievements at all. I&#039;d accept an achievement as &#039;earned&#039; for defeating a difficult boss, or for killing a number of players in an online match within the given time limit ( though I also disagree that killing 10,000 players is an achievement, as it seems something more likened to a test of endurance), as both of those actions require skill; though even then the line is thin. </p>
<p>I only make such a point of it because if achievements aren&#039;t challenging, then then they lose their value. Your &#039;gamerscore&#039; on Xbox Live, for example, is nothing more than a definitive list of the games you have played, and how far you progressed through each. I have no problem with that, but I do take issue with calling them &#039;achievements&#039;. They are nothing of the sort.  </p>
<p>And too, allowing a person to feel as though they have achieved something is nothing like offering them the chance to actually do so. Though, I will agree that the large majority of people would take your side on that. People love to feel like they have achieved something, and so, those in power offer them the chance to do so almost daily. But you see, once again, this depreciates the value of the achievement. Completing a task a monkey with a typewriter could achieve if given a long enough period of time isn&#039;t worthy of even a mention, let alone a gold star &#8211; yet today&#039;s society feels that it is. How long before we no longer care about achievement? How long before the bar falls so low, that merely turning on your games console awards you the &#039;Began Playing&#039; award? Not long, I imagine. Not long at all.</p>
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		<title>By: JoshS</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like achievements, they give me something to look forward to when I replay a game a second time.  I beat Hitman Blood Money once than I went back trying to get the harder difficulty achievements, which forced me to form new strategies and such to win.  It was quite exciting trying to achieve all 1000 in that game. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like achievements, they give me something to look forward to when I replay a game a second time.  I beat Hitman Blood Money once than I went back trying to get the harder difficulty achievements, which forced me to form new strategies and such to win.  It was quite exciting trying to achieve all 1000 in that game.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew_G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew_G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I said &quot;outside of regular play&quot; in that point, I meant you&#039;ve played through the game as you normally would have, and are now trying for the achievements you didn&#039;t already get. If it takes 5 or more hours at this point, then that&#039;s too long. 
 
I agree with your point &quot;Make them challenging&quot; this list is by no means comprehensive. I feel like this is related to point 4, &quot;Allow them to feel as if they&#039;re accomplished something.&quot; You don&#039;t feel as if you&#039;ve accomplished something if it wasn&#039;t a bit challenging.  
 
As far as really hard &quot;old school&quot; achievements, I think it would be okay to maybe have one (maximum) in a game. In this way, most players can achieve nearly all the achievements in a game, and only the select few have bragging rights to that one. More than this, though, and you&#039;re alienating too many people. After all, the point of the article is that achievements should make a game more enjoyable, and not feel like a chore. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I said &quot;outside of regular play&quot; in that point, I meant you&#039;ve played through the game as you normally would have, and are now trying for the achievements you didn&#039;t already get. If it takes 5 or more hours at this point, then that&#039;s too long. </p>
<p>I agree with your point &quot;Make them challenging&quot; this list is by no means comprehensive. I feel like this is related to point 4, &quot;Allow them to feel as if they&#039;re accomplished something.&quot; You don&#039;t feel as if you&#039;ve accomplished something if it wasn&#039;t a bit challenging.  </p>
<p>As far as really hard &quot;old school&quot; achievements, I think it would be okay to maybe have one (maximum) in a game. In this way, most players can achieve nearly all the achievements in a game, and only the select few have bragging rights to that one. More than this, though, and you&#039;re alienating too many people. After all, the point of the article is that achievements should make a game more enjoyable, and not feel like a chore.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody Hargreaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody Hargreaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly agree on all counts, though I&#039;m finding it difficult to see the difference between earning an achievement for booting up the game, and earning one in under 5 hours. Under 5 hours? Really? What does &#039;Achievement&#039; mean again? Oh, right. To achieve. I think you may have your dictionary definitions in a twist.   
 
Where&#039;s the &quot;Make them challenging: although most kids these days wouldn&#039;t know a challenge if it crept up and decapitated them, there are older gamers out that that appreciate it when they earn an achievement they really feel they had to work for&quot; section?  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly agree on all counts, though I&#039;m finding it difficult to see the difference between earning an achievement for booting up the game, and earning one in under 5 hours. Under 5 hours? Really? What does &#039;Achievement&#039; mean again? Oh, right. To achieve. I think you may have your dictionary definitions in a twist.   </p>
<p>Where&#039;s the &quot;Make them challenging: although most kids these days wouldn&#039;t know a challenge if it crept up and decapitated them, there are older gamers out that that appreciate it when they earn an achievement they really feel they had to work for&quot; section?</p>
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		<title>By: TheForgotten0ne</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheForgotten0ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Trophies, achievements. I don&#039;t really care so much about them, because I play games because they are fun. Not because I want to brag to my friends that I play more then them, if I want to do that I just show my steam account and how much I have played CSS xD 
 
I think Trophies are stupid, when I played Assassins Creed 2, I laughed from almost every Trophie I got, because I didn&#039;t do anyhing special, I killed some guy that I was forced to kill (assassinate). I escaped from a place, and I got a Trophie, and I killed the final boss, and I got a Trophie.  
 
Sure, I can show them that I have actually completed the game, and wohoo for that. But if my friends don&#039;t belive/trust me, well why should I care? 
 
Trophies is a way to get people to think a game is longer then it actually is, they make small extra levels or details, things that don&#039;t really take long to make, but gets the players to play the game way more. But doing the same over and over again. Where is the fun? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Trophies, achievements. I don&#039;t really care so much about them, because I play games because they are fun. Not because I want to brag to my friends that I play more then them, if I want to do that I just show my steam account and how much I have played CSS xD </p>
<p>I think Trophies are stupid, when I played Assassins Creed 2, I laughed from almost every Trophie I got, because I didn&#039;t do anyhing special, I killed some guy that I was forced to kill (assassinate). I escaped from a place, and I got a Trophie, and I killed the final boss, and I got a Trophie.  </p>
<p>Sure, I can show them that I have actually completed the game, and wohoo for that. But if my friends don&#039;t belive/trust me, well why should I care? </p>
<p>Trophies is a way to get people to think a game is longer then it actually is, they make small extra levels or details, things that don&#039;t really take long to make, but gets the players to play the game way more. But doing the same over and over again. Where is the fun?</p>
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		<title>By: Danreb V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danreb V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good feature.  Sometimes I find myself playing through old PS3 games just to get some useless trophies.  I don&#039;t know why, but it&#039;s always made me feel better--although knowing that you&#039;ll be playing for an eternity kinda sucks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good feature.  Sometimes I find myself playing through old PS3 games just to get some useless trophies.  I don&#039;t know why, but it&#039;s always made me feel better&#8211;although knowing that you&#039;ll be playing for an eternity kinda sucks.</p>
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